Obadiah 1:3 They did worship Allah, which Ill prove soon. The ruins were identified by the Prophet (s) as belonging to those who wronged themselves, without ascribing them to the very first tribe of Thamud. Among such nations were the 'Ad and the Thamud, the Amalekites and the Himyar after them, the Tubbas, and the other South Arabian rulers (Adhwa). Though you build your nest as high as the eagles, I hope the Christians, after having read this, will decide to do whats ethical and moral. who occupy the heights of the hill. Take your time and let it sink in: 1. [22], The first wave of Arab immigration to the Maghreb began with the conquest of the Maghreb in the seventh century, with the migration of sedentary and nomadic Arabs to the Maghreb from the Arabian Peninsula. Khawiya seems to mean destroyed/overturned but the term could possibly mean ruined too. Nabateans built over them means in general sense; it does not mean that each and every building was replaced by the Nabateans. God sent down a milch camel as his sign, and Salih told his countrymen that they should not harm the camel and allow it to drink from their well. . Anyway, whats really important is what led to their punishment. In light of these points, in my opinion the only reasonable conclusion is one of the following: 1) That the dwellings of Thamud were destroyed some time between The Expedition of Tabuk and today. In fact, they are no recognised as Nabatean tombs, resembling the earlier more primitive ones among those to be seen at Petra in present day Jordan, not the late elaborately carved Greco-Roman facades. Badawi writes: [li] and his followers left the doomed area just before Gods punishment befell them. Ruins of Aad and Thamood existed at time of Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam Assalaamu alaykum I was wondering does verse 2938 of the Quran mean that the houses of Aad and Thamud are still standing and that we can see them If Aad were destroyed there is nothing left of Aad apart from their land so their houses have fallen down and if they were not standing in Prophet Muhammads sallallaahu . While I think thats a response one could muster the fact is that we have no evidence whatsoever for that and it does not explain why the Prophet () would have referred to them as punished people. And take for yourselves palaces and fortresses that you may abide eternally?Chapter 26, Verses 128 129. On the first day, their skin would turn yellow; on the second day, red; and on the final day of destruction, black. Hud ( ) was sent to Ad and after their destruction, Thamud inherited the land. The coloring of (sedentary culture) established itself firmly. They were more sophisticated than the Aad. Shaitan (Satan) made their deeds fair-seeming to them, and turned them away from the (Right) Path, though they were intelligent. And they were also well-built because they still exist today. [4] Historian Israel Eph'al questions the plausibility of Sargon's account, as the briefness of Sargon's account seems to be at odds with the fact that such a campaign deep into Arabia would have been one of the longest wars in Assyrian history, and because no mention of plunder is provided. 6. But they almost always have some other deities included in their pantheon. Thanks for the article and yea I see no problem. The Aad and Thamud were both located in the northwestern part of modern day Saudi Arabia near the border of Jordan. [18] According to the Quran, the Thamud were the successors of a previous nation called the d, who had also been destroyed for their sins. The word atharan or assar as loosely written in Urdu literally means effects or reactions or remnants left behind as an escape of a crime scene where clues or signs point to. Therefore, the Adnanites are descendants of Abraham. Some sources say the time period of the Thamud, as mentioned in the Quran, was about four generations after the Aad. Hud was from among the Aad himself, as Allah mentions in the Quran: Aad denied the Messengers when their brother Hud said to them: Will you not fear Allah?Chapter 26, Verses 124 125. Jumping the gun, 2. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); The Quranic tribes of Aad and Thamud a historical perspective. 2. what they used to build and what they have built. I just had the chance to look at the comments now and I dont seem to understand the problem here. [pp. How do we explain 27:52 29:38 22:45 28:58 91:14, Assalam alie kum, it is a good attempt to answer the criticism of the of the people who have always found some crookedness to stand their point against Islam. 85 percent of the region is still untouched, and hidden. Are these tourist sites now identified at Madian Saleh the same as those we see discussed in the saheeh ahadith during the Tabuk expedition or is that a different location because these sites are identified as built by Nabataens and not Thamud and are considered much later than Thamud people (if we consider the finds to be absolutely authentic that these are Nabataens who built them. their country was called Arabia Petraea, the rocky; and their metropolis Petra, the rock: Jerom says that they that inhabited the southern part of the country and dwelt in caves cut out of the rock, to screen them from the heat of the sun: or, thou that dwellest in the circumferences of the rock F16; round about it, on the top of it, in a tower built there, as Kimchi and Ben Melech. They are related to the Banu Abs tribe.[33]. They may believe in Allah and may even worship Him in some ways. Their dwellings remained but very partially They also earned income by transporting goods and people in caravans pulled by domesticated camels across the desert. Those people rejected their prophets and did not follow the correct way and Allah did destroy them. Can someone please answer 89:9 because Im really stuck on this verse. Rather, it tells us to look at the region in which Thamud had existed as well as the many generations after them. Who can bring me down to the ground? (9:70) Have they not heard the accounts of those who came before them [77] - of the people of Noah and 'Ad and Thamud, and the people of Abraham and the dwellers of Madyan (Midian), and the cities that were overturned? I guess it can be said that the Nabataeans can be considered one of the nations succeeding the people of Thamud. But given the possibility that these ruins could have once been created, either completely or partially, by the Thamud and taken later by the Edomites in Petra and then the Nabateans, who inscribed graffiti on themtheir inscriptions are exactly thator even carved out recesses inside of them, there isnt an unsurmountable problem. Their responses were a reflection of this culture. [15], But despite the presence of a tribe called the Thamud as late as the fourth century, sixth-century Arab poets whose works are preserved in post-Islamic sources were already referring to the Thamud as an ancient and long-lost tribe whose very name recalled the transience of all things. ""- . This implies that the carvings in Madain Saleh (which in fact date to the first century CE) are not from the Thamudians, but rather their successors many centuries later in the same area. Theres no real reason to mention them lastly, except they came after al-Rass and they are also included in this chronological order as well. You have no god other than Him. Their responses, while snarky, were fairly simple. After all, camels were and still are pretty common in that part of the world. Good reply Adeel. you who live in the clefts of the rocks, And indeed (their destruction) is clearly apparent to you from their (ruined) dwellings. And remember when He made you successors after the Aad and settled you in the land, [and] you take for yourselves palaces from its plains and carve from the mountains, homes. But before we get to that, lets analyze their responses. [7] Today, all these areas are located in the Arab world with the exception of Khuzestan. Thereupon Allahs Messenger () commanded that the water collected for drinking should be spilt and the flour should be given to the camels and commanded them that the water for drinking should be taken from that well where the she-camel used to come. He sent Prophet Hud (AS) to the Aad, and Prophet Salih (AS) to the Thamud. Im trying to understand the arabic like why do some arabic words have al before some words when we dont use them like in verse 2:36 (But Satan caused both of them to deflect from obeying Our command by tempting them to the tree and brought them out of the state they were in, and We said: Get down all of you; henceforth, each of you is an enemy of the other,50 and on earth you shall have your abode and your livelihood for an appointed time.) in this verse in arabic it says al Shatan why doesnt just say satan instead of if translated the satan because that would sound weird They lived in houses carved into the surface of the earth. These verses can be found in multiple books, we will focus on Obadiah and Jeremiah. In sura 15, there seems to be a chronological order: At first the story of Adam (as) is mentioned (26-50), then the story of Abraham (as) and Lot (as) (51-77), then the story of the people of al-Rass,i.e. Amend their accusation to now include the Bible also. In my research, I did discover that the tombs do contain pre-Nabatean inscriptions. you will be utterly despised. The Story of The Aad And The Thamud Nation_ Qur'an __ | _ Dua for Relief Distress, Laziness, Debts : Suhih Muslim_ Book of General Behaviour_ Kitab al Suhih Muslim_ The Book of Destiny (KITAB-UL-QADR) Chapter___ Raising Index Finger in Tashahhud. and make your nest among the stars, Ok thanks jazzakkallah last questions and ill leave it at that what do you mean not on the surface and is 89:9 saying the Arabs could still see those buildings because it says (the rocks it uses al the why not just say rocks and what does it mean by rocks does it mean houses or mountains thanks If not, then why do we need to find the remains of Thamud? p.190. But the inscriptions in Lihyanite script and some recently discovered archaeological vestiges are evidence for human settlementas early as the 3rd or 2nd century BCE. [29] The second Arab tribal migration to northern Mesopotamia was in the 10th century when the Banu Numayr migrated there. According to Arab traditions, tribes are divided into different divisions called Arab skulls ( ), which is a term given to a group of tribes of the Arabian Peninsula, which are described in the traditional custom of strength, abundance, victory, and honor. Therefore, the Aad were a society that sprung up from the survivors of the flood, perhaps some of the same people who rode in the Ark with Prophet Noah (AS). Hud tried to reason with his people by reminding them of the many favors Allah had given them. I think its just like 43:47, 21:12, 32:26 and 37:73. This structure is not only large enough to house several individuals, but contains benches which suggests that it served some social function, hence it can qualify to be called a place of dwelling. Also bonus when you say there buildings were not on the surface what do you mean do you mean the outside was gone but you could see the inside like a cave do you mean that, 15. 1. In fact they were pretty snarky in their responses. 5. If the Bible tells us nothing more, at least it illustrates that carving out structures on mountains predated the Nabateans, and that is all we need to refute the Christian allegation against the Quran. Here is how their argument goes: The Quran describes prophet called Salih ( ), who lived in the Thamud tribe. According to the Quran, they were hit by a blast that destroyed them. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. This is an article I recently wrote. Yes both Ad and thamud left dwelling places as opposed to some other Nations mentioned in the Quran but again the reference is generic to many other Nations not mentioned in the book that came to other parts of the world etc. Thamud scripts and finds are noted in the area as well as possible signs of the ancient people before Thamud. And so, when Our command was fulfilled, by Our mercy We saved li and his fellow believers from the disgrace of that day. We have no firm textual evidence as to where they went, but their pattern of rock carving survived for millennia among their successors in the area such as the Nabateans, the Dedanites, the Lihyanites who supplanted the Dedanites in Dedan in the last century BCE and 1st century CE and others. If the Nabateans carved out the structures on the hills and mountains of Petra and Median Saleh, as the Christians allege, then both the Quran and the Bible are in error, which I dont agree with. [6], Thamd is also mentioned in Classical sources. Here our discussion lies around the location of the thamud people and the houses/tombs they carved out of the stones and mountains. Now we dont see the remains of Nuhs AS people now do we? [2] The Thamud are not specially connected to the Thamudic scripts, an aggregate term for understudied writing systems of Ancient Arabia. [24] The major migration to the region by Arab tribes was in the 11th century when the tribes of Banu Hilal and Banu Sulaym, along with others, were sent by the Fatimids to defeat a Berber rebellion and then settle in the Maghreb. Obviously, the Thamud were much more advanced technologically than the Aad. This is not but from the customs of the former peoples and we will not be punished.Chapter 26, Verses 136-136. It is not specific to the 2 Arab tribes. What do u think? Numerous rock writings and pictures traditionally attributed to the Thamd have been found on Mount Athlab and throughout central Arabia; though labeled Thamdic, they actually reflect a diverse set of ancient Semitic dialects used by various Arabian tribes. He sent Prophet Hud (AS) to the Aad, and Prophet Salih (AS) to the Thamud. The Thamud did not worship God, and were disobedient. Almost always have some other deities included in their responses Thamud tribe. [ 33 ] ]... 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