Yes, the uncertainty about the identities of the women is Structuralto the film's splintered narrative. Somerton could hardly be> >>>>>> described (and>> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. Clearly, of course,the Somerton ritual is a mirror of Ziegler's party (with each event inmany ways serving as the 'truth' of the other): whether its Mandy atthe party or at the ritual or at both, the outcome is still the same:a corpse in a morgue. What a mish mash of mental masturbation that is.. Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. in fact if you look very closely, Mandy on the Slab, winks. >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? >>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. [Some irrelevant pseudo-Buddhist gibberish snipped]. WebDirected by Stanley Kubrick Writing Credits Cast (in credits order) verified as complete Produced by Music by Jocelyn Pook Cinematography by Larry Smith (lighting The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. It's profoundly, structurally, indeterminate >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling),<<<. Why would he demand that she take offher mask if this were so? ">> "I saw her body in the morgue. Bill is, after all, wearing a mask; not only that, butthe Mandy who was in Ziegler's bathroom the night before was 1. sodrugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling), Ziegler doing all the talking and explaining. "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. Again. The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply > following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in adepressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethaldrug overdose. Let's get out of here.You're my witness. Not only are they the REAL "anti-intellectuals," they were schizoid as hell and projected it onto the social mess, creating political gibberish, that has NO usefulness to anyone. I think the voice would have rung a bell and > the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course > seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so > he was in shock. Given that you have, as you already admitted, absolutely nounderstanding of the terms used or indeed the context in which theywere used, your pedantry is now exposed as pure and contemptiblefraudulence. <<<<<<< world to criticize somebody for using big words. "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. That is a possible explanation. He treated her as a not-very-importantpatient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is still a mystery. ". Indeed, the film iscentrally concerned with the failure of a 'male-centric' andpatriarchal ideology to deal with female desire; and the narrativethrust of the film revolves around Bill's increasingly hopelessefforts to flee from (but also to copy and avenge) Alice's desire, adesire from which he is completely excluded, just as he is laterexcluded from the desire-space of the power-elite at Somerton. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. There's also search enginessuch as Google where you can search for information. : I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite. ANSWERS: 4. Whereas atSomerton, Ziegler and the others only first become suspicious of Billas an interloper because of how he arrived there (in a taxi ratherthan a limousine). I never said Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when > we study it. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. And coming from the newsgroup'sresident acid-headed, solipsistic zombie. No comments. >> When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"> but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him at> the orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? Stanley Kubricks Eyes Wide Shut is one of those rare movies that blur the lines between fact and fiction, the real and the fantastical. <<<<<<<<<<<>. The lost of public phones booths will kill off Superman, Dr. Who, and Colin Farrell roles. People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although > it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the > slightest. ME> Again. I think this feeling of > guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. >Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. What does the mask on the pillow at the end of Eyes Wide Shutmean? As though testing how well Bill's implanted suggestions had taken..????? I am ready Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. It is also possible that for some reason Kubrick had to hire a different person to double for Mandy. Statanic mass?>, > <<<<<<<<< has been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-> vis Mandy and the masked woman. > If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. (4) With many people using Google maps-gps/satellite views scouring the earth, his Fortress of Solitude could be exposed. He > was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," > were killers. While the final movie was greeted with somewhat mixed reviews at the time, the appreciation for Eyes Wide Shut has only grown since its 1999 debut. Perhaps Alice was already attending these rituals and this was a way to gently break in stuffy and repressed Bill to this new found club and part of his initiation. It was a party nevertheless. The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one He's eventually discovered and forced to remove his mask but is saved from a bleak fate by another masked woman who tried to warn him to leave earlier. "anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? Yes, the three scenes - at Ziegler's party, at the Somerton ritualthe following night, and at the hospital morgue the next day - thatfeature Mandy/the 'masked woman' - remain ambiguous to the end. OT. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). In one of the final scenes, Bill comes home and as he comes to bed he sees Alice (Nicole Kidman) sleeping next to the same Venetian mask he wore at the party. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. I don't think there were any other dreams, although the redpool table scene always seemed the most dreamlike to me. > But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the events> at Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I > know.". > the same time, being simple and concrete. Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.netRemove the NOSPAM before replying to me. Does anyone else sense the inspiration of the mask designs from the film Eyes Wide Shut? :>released around the same time, The Ninth Gate. Harry, you are calling him a troll for criticizing your manic, vain and pretentious word salad? WebOne of the masked women warns him he is in terrible danger. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. The twenty-something woman confirmed she and her partner Leonard are polyamorous. Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." Statanic mass? >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >together. Other interpretations are floating around, including the idea Alice was also at the party, and while there's no set meaning for how the mask got on that pillow, the idea Alice put it there herself seems to be the prevailing theory. However, as we might imagine, there were many who believed his death was far from natural. Barcaluv. He did not know who she was: she was wearing> a mask. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shut mask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. Same voice. Eyes Wide Shut: What The Mask On The Pillow Means, Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best, The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story, Why Pirates of the Caribbean Producer Wants Johnny Depp Back, Chris Pratt Joins Luigi Actor To Troll Super Mario Bros. Movie Voice Critics. The silence of the empty mind, like the silent empty space we see in 2001, is the best path to curing your mania. Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. Changes within the building seem to lack that phone booth sense of urgency and drama. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually know> about Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask > <<<<<<<<<<<<. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing >> this," Mandy says, "Ya." Can it really compete with Rupert? <<<<<<<<<<. news:47897d0b$0$5129$4c36@roadrunner.com > Harry writes: (seen on google)>> >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense >> >>> of>>> anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible >> mumbling),<<<>, >> No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare >> kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" The second, and more terrifying suggestion, is the mask is a final warning from the secret society for Bill to drop any further investigation or the fate that befell the woman who saved him could be visited upon Alice. In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, subliminally. But he can't know for sure (because she wasmasked at Somerton). > Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and > one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. AmericanCinematographer did some thing on the lighting or something in thismovie when it came out, but David Mullen who used to post here (whenthis place was even worse) could answer like anything. Web .

1925 . Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)> would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elites> doesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who do> recognise the realities of social power and of desire are just> paranoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those who> attribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are being> properly paranoid). And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? >Even in the morgue he still might not have> been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the> body. >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, till Zeigler tells him. So check out Mandy's Wink on the slab---it's very fast, but it is there:), Yeah but he used the same actor for different roles in Dr Strangeloveand in some scenes of Eyes Wide Shut he has Cruise on a treadmillagainst a blue screen using real photography of NYC behind him, thenin the next scene Cruise is filmed against a set in england. It's not like he is going to voice all his thoughts. Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? Ha ha hah, ha ha hah! ", http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIXuHaaz5iU, > This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the film. > Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the > Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow > our mind. My extra-fat dictionary yields the following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots fromfrom its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". Sakyamuni had taught that simpleminded people of even blind faith are way ahead of these blabbering, eliteist, arrogant intellectuals. Here was Stanley Kubrick, for many the worlds greatest living filmmaker, returning with his first finished project in 12 years a sexually provocative adult drama, utterly shrouded in secrecy, starring pre-eminent Hollywood power couple Tom As 1999 approached, what little was known about Eyes Wide Shut was almost indecently tantalising. So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do you want me to say..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. >In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is), So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<. -Herodotus, You do not have permission to delete messages in this group, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message, I thought the woman who ODd at the dance party (Mandy), the woman who, Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - I don't care to look up her name, Here is a youtube video of "Mandy" (Julienne Davis), singing in her band, I sent a message to the YouTube person who hosted those "Mandy" videos if. >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was> showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. Nevertheless, those two recollections(one of a fantasy, one of a dream) constitute the very desire whoseexclusion (from the quotidian, commonsensical, 'social reality' of theHarfords' marriage) the film is exploring. The masked woman was played by a different actor but is the samecharacter. And Milich was expecting him. The Redeemer's voice does sound alot like Mandy's voice, both with a hint of a New York accent. MYMENU MYMENU Masquerade Mask For Couples > First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was > showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. The movie is based on the 1920's novella Dream Storyand Kubrick developed the project for decades, and once considered a slightly more comedic take with Steve Martin in the lead role. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. 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